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through friday. follow us on twitter. tweet me and the show. be sure to join us again tomorrow right here in "the situation room." thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, donald trump still soaring in the polls. now over 30% nationally. still slamming his rivals. can his insult strategy win it all? plus, 13 shootings along an arizona highway in just the last 12 days. now police fear a copycat shooter may also be out there. we are live on the scene. a former olympian and tennis great tackled by new york police in a wrongful arrest. did officers use excessive force? let's go "outfront." good sciutto.
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trump lobbing new insults. donald trump is now the first gop candidate to top 30% nationally in a new cnn poll, gaining eight points in the last month. even as his lead widens, trump is taking his attacks from the political to the very personal. during an interview he took on the only woman in the field, carly fiorina saying, look at that face, would anyone vote for that? today, trump lashed out and ben carson, one of the few republicans he had not insulted yet, after carson questioned trump's religious faith. here is how trump responded on cnn's "new day." >> frankly, he looks -- he makes bush look like the energizer bunny. he was a doctor, perhaps an okay doctor. you can check that out. we're not talking about a great -- he was an okay doctor.
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>> an okay doctor. one of trump's faufvorite targe, jeb bush, said it's time to stop the insults and start sharing ideas. >> i think he believes that he can insult his way to the presidency. >> dana bash is "outfront" tonight. the insults, as bad as offensive as they seem to many people, they don't seem to make a difference at all to trump supporters. how is that? >> reporter: you know, that's a hard question to answer about how. but you are right. they are not. in fact, today's new cnn/orc poll suggests donald trump is moving closer to doing what jeb bush accused him of, insulting his way to the presidency. to be fair, his supporters see it as showing some spine and using the right rhetoric to capture a very real anti-washington fervor. donald trump's dominance in the republican field is even more solid, a high water mark for any
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gop candidate, 32% and no one else coming close. this while trump is getting in trouble again talking about women's appearances. quoted in a new article as saying this when seeing carly fiorina on tv, look at that face, would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that the face of our next president? the brash billionaire tried to clarify on cnn this morning. >> the statement, i'm talking about her persona. her persona is not going to be -- she's not going to be president. >> reporter: her strategy is to not take the bait. >> i'm not going to wonder what donald trump means. maybe just maybe i'm getting under his skin a little bit because i am climbing in the polls. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn jeb bush was quick to pounce. >> this disparaging of women is deeply troubling. it doesn't make any sense to me. carly fiorina has made a good contribution already and will continue in this nomination process. >> reporter: it's hardly the first time he made waves talking
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about women. >> she wanted to breast pump in front of me. i may have said that's disgusting. a vicious, horrible person. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> reporter: despite all that, trump's support among republican women has grown, up 13 points in today's cnn/orc's poll. he is winning at 33%. another gop candidate unleashed on trump today. >> the reality of donald trump, however, is absurd. he is non-non-serious. >> reporter: a political hail mary. >> i enjoyed him as a reality tv show. because a lot of people like watching kim kardashian, we wouldn't put her in the white house either. >> reporter: the only thing worse than getting hit by trump
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is not getting his counter punch when you do take a swipe at him. trump's statement was devastating in how tame it was. he said he only responds to people that register more than 1% in the polls. he never thought jindal had a chance and he has been proven right. >> he doesn't mind getting personal. dana bash, thanks very much in washington. katrina kampen has known donald trump for more than a decade. also ben ferguson and s.e. cup. he has impolite in some of his language around women. megyn kelly, the blood comment, a woman who used a breast pump disgusting. now carly fiorina. as a woman, do you find this language insulting? >> i'm not a proponent of bashing in general. however, politics is a blood
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sport. regardless of gender, if you go in for combat, you have to be ready to battle. we want equality, but we have to take the good for the bad. this reminds me of the feud between obama and polla palin. >> to be fair, he was talking about -- as i remember, at the time, he was talking about a plan rather than the person. i wonder, on the -- >> that's the big debate. >> i'd like to ask what you think. >> that's the big debate though. >> let's talk about the carly fee real estate fiorina example. he tried to explain it away saying his remark was not about her looks but her persona. do you buy that? >> no. a face is a face. trump can't rewrite the english language. if he -- we should take him at his straight talk and assume he means what he says. that's what he insists. when people like jeffrey lord,
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who i am frequently on television with, discussing trump, defend what he says, i can kind of understand it. men, particularly of jeffrey's generation, have defend eed misogyny for years. what i don't understand is you are a beautiful, successful, hard-working woman. how can you possibly defend what trump has said about men, women, everyone in between? how could you possibly think that that's effective or productive or dignified even in the blood sport like politics? >> i want to give you a chance to answer. >> let me ask you a question. isn't everybody else doing it? jeb bush, which is -- >> is that your defense? >> even he is swinging. he is absolutely -- politics is a blood sport. we as women want equality. even in the business world, i have been in business now for over 15 years. i'm dealing with men. they're not always so nice.
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i have to take -- i want equ equality -- >> you don't get equality -- let me say something. you do not get equality by defending a chauvinist pig. let me finish. you do not get equality by defending chauvinist pigs. i have been shocked by how many women -- let me finish. including you and other tea party women who have come out and defended donald trump for saying look at her face, look at that face. how do you -- how in the world could you want that woman to be president? it doesn't get more chauvinist than that. the fact that women are defe defending him because -- i don't know a trump support are on tv talking about donald trump as a supporter, it's sad to see you are willing to throw it away just to defend donald trump. >> let me stop you on that. i am a successful woman.
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i don't need anybody's name to be successful. i have built myself from the beginning. i have earned it. >> then why are you defending donald trump? >> he speaks truth. let me finish. >> you are saying -- >> are you going to give me respect or not? practice what you preach. i'm not speaking about -- are you going to let me finish? let me know. >> let me just -- >> everybody is swinging. when donald trump swings, then -- what about the commends about his hair? >> swing on policy. >> is it okay for you to say -- >> hold up for a moment. i want to ask ben and s.e. as well -- many people did think the trump's comments would hurt him. you look at the numbers. >> they have gone up. >> he is leading among women up 13 points in the last month. i want to ask why they think that is. ben, let's give s.e. a change to answer. >> you know why that is? because he is speaking truth.
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>> it's okay. >> can i answer as a woman. >> no one is calling you ugly or mean. >> let's give s.e. a chance to respond. >> i have thick skin. it's about women are voting for him because they understand that he is speaking truth. he has the best chance of fixing the political corruption in this company because he is not tieby. let me finish. let me finish. for you to tell me and every other woman that's defending him that -- let me finish. let me finish. have respect for women. let me tell you one thing, by telling every woman that they're in love with him and that's why they are supporting him, talk about chauvinist. who is being chauvinist now? have respect for women. >> it's a little -- >> practice what you preach. >> you are not listening. let me say it clearly and slowly. i think it's sad that you are sitting here defending donald trump for calling a woman who is a conservative --
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>> that's not what i'm saying. that's not what i'm saying. >> that's what he did. why would you not denounce that and say did -- >> let me ask you -- >> katrina -- we have limited time. you have had your chance. i appreciate it. s.e., i want to give you a chance to pipe in. you look at the numbers and women are still supporting him. in fact, he is up 13 points in the last month. how is that possible? >> you know, two things. i would like to see polling after the carly comments. i think what he said about megyn kelly could have been dismissed as ambiguous. what he said about carly fiorina was very clear. it's possible that a lot of women, men, the political people who are being called to weigh in on polls aren't paying attention as closely as we are to the mud slinging. all they see is donald trump is on tv a lot. he is ahead in the polls. they think, this is a guy
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talking about wanting to make america better again. as the political cycle moves further on, i am sure that one time trump supporters are going to be less impressed with his lack of political knowledge, his lack of political ideas and the terrible ways that he is talking about other people. >> i want to thank you for speaking honestly. what we see here is the emotions that this race and certainly this candidate bring out. i want to thank you for speaking so directly about that. we will leave it there. thank you for this. coming up, find out which of the candidates, including donald trump, will be on the stage during cnn's republican presidential debate next wednesday. the big reveal will be coming up on ac 360. donald trump slamming ben carson, after his opponent questioned trump's religious faith. why is carson pulling back? more shootings today along
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the same stretch of arizona road. we are live from that location. a tennis star says he was tackled by five new york police officers arresting him in a case of mistaken identity. did the officers use excessive force? look like this.
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the future starts now for all of us. donald trump taking aim at a new political target, this time his closest republican rival, neurosurgeon dr. ben carson. after carson accused trump of exaggerating his religious faith. it is trump who continues to win the republican voting block, evangelical christians. is trump faking his faith? >> reporter: it's round one for the gop front-runners, a fight over religious authenticity. >> the biggest thing is that i realize where my success has come from.
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and i don't in any way deny my faith in god. and i think that probably is a big difference. humility and a fear of the lord. i don't get that impression with him. >> if you look at his past, he wasn't a big man of faith. all of a sudden he has become this man of faith. he was heavy into the world of abortion. >> reporter: ben carson is a man known for his deep pagfaith. >> when i pick up my bible, you know what i see? i see the fairest individual in the university, god. >> reporter: among evangelicals, donald trump is still on top. >> they want a candidate that is going to explain how their faith is interwoven with their public policy decisions. if donald trump can actually do that, he has a chance to potentially walk away with the evangelical vote. >> reporter: while trump insists he is religious, he has had some
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stumbles. >> people are so shocked when they find this out. i'm protestant. i'm presbyterian. i go to church. i love god. i love my church. >> reporter: this church is where trump went to sunday school and was confirmed. he says he now attends this church in manhattan. >> i go to marble collegiate church. >> reporter: he church tells cnn he is not an active member. he says he collects and stores bibles that people send him. >> nothing beats the bible. nothing beats the bible. not even the art of the deal. not even close. >> reporter: when asked, he refused to name his favorite bible verse. >> when i talk about the bible, it's personal. i don't want to get into -- >> reporter: he admits he never asked god for forgiveness. >> when we go to church and when i drink my wine, the only wine i drink and have my cracker, i guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness. >> reporter: he changed his tune on social issues like gay
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marriage and abortion. >> i cringe when ily listen to people. i believe in choice. >> reporter: but now. >> i am pro life. >> reporter: ben carson claimed his comments were not intended to be personal. he doesn't want to get into a fight about faith. i have to say a carson campaign official tells me that within the campaign there is a feeling that they would like to respond to trump more forcefully. but it's carson that's not comfortable with this. this official adding that trump's comments they believe were over the top. >> he's not first candidate to try to respond to trump as well. we see bush, jindal and others. thanks very much. "outfront," russell moore, a minister and leader with the southern baptist convention, one of the mow influential christian groups and katrina.
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you heard ben carson's comments. when he says that it's his humility that separates him from trump, does he have a point? >> well, i think they are very different, yes. but i think where people are getting a little bit antsy about this is, nobody likes a christian -- a bible thumping person to judge other people. that's what ben carson did. i don't think that it's his humility that will separate the two. trump has a personality that people are attracted to. that's why ben carson is number two. you have the strong fighter who is an outsider and you have this sort of humility person in ben carson who is an outsider. these two are neck and neck for that reason. >> in a column in usa today, a former democratic strategist christian powers called trump an evangelical scam artist. in your view, is he a scam artist? is he faking his religious faith? >> well, yes.
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i think he is a scam artist. i think we have a category of cultural christianity in this country of people who don't have a theology that connects with their political lives and civic lives. i think that's what we are seeing in this phenomenon right now. you have someone who speaks in brash egotistical terms, speaking of women with contempt, openly brags about having morality of an alley cat and says he has nothing for which to ask god for forgiveness. >> why is he doing so well with the evangelical vote? >> i think right now we're in a mode where people are communicating that they are tired what's going on in washington. anyone can see why that's the case. i do think you see a great contrast with ben carson. someone who wasn't attacking donald trump. he was differentiating himself from donald trump and talking about his own sense of humility and the way that he wants to approach things. i think that's a very stark contrast. >> let me tell you why donald trump is doing so well with
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evangelicals. what we have seen over the last few election cycles, every single republican out there that runs always starts out with a bible verse, always talking about their christianity. guess what, every republican right now elect right now, they won't defunct planned parenthood. evangelicals are tired of p politicians who flaunt their christianity and they do the opposite. that's why donald trump is getting support right now. in the last election, it was evangelicals who stayed home. now they have somebody they want to go out and support. >> russell, do you think -- do you see the same phenomenon? >> i see donald trump who speaks of planned parenthood as having done many good things, someone who has been multiple choice on the issue of abortion over the years, has recently come around to saying he is pro life but isn't able to speak to it with any detail. someone who ridicules missionaries infected with ee bo ebola and said they shouldn't be
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treated. he built his life on a casino industry that is spreading vice all over this country. yet then turns around and wants to say that somehow he is a christian and he is a protestant, presbyterian, even though he doesn't go to church. i find that startling. the issue here isn't who is qualified to be sunday schoolteacher. the issue is, who has character. we have to have leaders with character. >> if that were the case, mike huckabee would have been the nominee. if that were the case -- that's not the case here. evangelicals are smart. they are tired of being lied to, seeing politicians run around quoting jesus and going into office and funding planned parenthood. >> i agree with you. i don't think we saw tholve tha hiring someone that says nothing beats the bible and i have my cracker and wine and goes around with ridiculous attack, the
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denigrating of women, boasting about sexual conquests. >> he is being honest. >> it's true the one common theme is frustration with washington. thanks. "outfront" next, a source tells that's two new shootings on an arizona highway may be the work of a copycat. this as armed private citizens go on patrol. are police closer to finding shooters? a pro tennis star says he was gang tackled and arrested by five police officers after being misidentified as a criminal. was it a legitimate case of mistaken identity or simply bad police work? there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber.
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breaking news. arizona police now investigating two more possible shootings along the busy phoenix interstate. these latest attacks bring the total number to 13 over the last 12 days. police are calling this an act of domestic terrorism. adding to the urgency tonight, fears of copycat shootings. local officials have told us the highway is safe, but with the shooter or shooters still on the
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lose, some residents are taking security into their own hands. sara sidner is "outfront." >> reporter: terror in phoenix. police investigating 11 shootings in 12 days along interstate 10. the latest target, a big rig. thursday morning, two more shootings reported. a source with knowledge of the investigation tells us, those incidents may bet work the wor copycat. someone is targeting drivers on i-10. a bullet hole in a truck window. another piercing a car door. another shattering a headlight. police say at least eight vehicles have been hit by bullets, three by projectiles of some kind. >> i don't know if it's a pellet. i don't know. >> reporter: one person has been hurt, a 13-year-old girl cut when glass flew at her face. police say the incidents happening at seemingly random times and random targets in the
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eight-mile span, making some think twice about taking i-10. >> what i heard and seen is that people are taking different routes. >> reporter: they are going a different way? the department of public safety calling the incidents acts of domestic terrorism. >> there are arizonians who are frightened, scared is, concerned about their safety and their loved ones. >> reporter: while a tip line flashes, an army of police patrol from the sky and the ground. along interstate 10 and the back alleys, it's not just police who are looking for the shooter. a whole group of citizens are as well. they call themselves bolt force. >> we are an armed volunteer crime fighting force. >> reporter: their founder describes them as guardian angels on steroids. some are bounty hunters. most are former law enforcement or military. are you a vigilante force? >> people have used that term in
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the past. i don't like that term. we don't go above the law. we're not out here slamming people to the ground. >> reporter: for five years, the volunteer ground has been patrolling the crime-ridden neighborhoods. now shifting to i-10 looking for possible places a shooter might hide and take aim. we asked bolt force what might by some chance will happen if you actually find the shooter? the first thing they would do would be to call their contact at the department of public safety. we do know the department of public safety is getting hundreds and hundreds of people calling in with tips. they do not yet have that one tip they need to try to find who is responsible for this. >> sara sidner along the dangerous stretch of highway. the mayor of phoenix, thank you for joining us tonight. >> happy to do it. >> you have two more shootings today. 13 total, possibly more than one shooter now. no suspects. how close are you to finding who is behind this?
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>> the department of public safety here in the state of arizona are doing an outstanding job with the investigation. phoenix police department -- where these unfortunate shootings and projectiles have been launched is occurring in my city, the part of the i-10 that cuts through the heart of my city. the phoenix police department is putting the maximum number of personnel and resources, everything is going into finding this person or persons who are doing this. i'm satisfied after having been fully briefed by the police department today that they're doing an outstanding job in this investigation. it's a scary time. it's a time of uncertainty. >> this is an important stretch of highway. but two more shootings today. no suspect in sight. should you close the highway? >> no. this is a very important highway to our economy. thank the good lord no one has been seriously hurt or killed as a result of these 11 or more incidents along this highway.
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no, this is an important economic thoroughfare for our city. the main thing is sto be vigilant. to have the tip line, the dps tip line on their cell phone. you see anything, get that information right away to dps or to phoenix pd. we will catch these people. they are not going to get away with this trying to terrorize this community. it's going to be done because the people of this community are frustrated, they're unhappy and scared. they will do their part to find these perpetrators. >> are you driving that highway yourself? >> i drove that highway to come for this interview just a few moments ago. i would recommend that people continue about their daily business. the dps has described it as domestic terrorism. whoever is doing this is trying to disrupt people from engaging in their daily lives of going to work or school or to doctor's apartments. we can't let them get the best of this community.
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we're not going to let them get the best of the community. we will catch these people sooner rather than later. >> you notice that you have public -- private citizens now basically patrolling, becoming the law in effect, a vigilante force. are you comfortable with that. >> i'm not happy about that. look, we have plenty of resources, both manpower and equipment, all the things we need to catch whoever is doing this through the combined partnership between the state department of public safety and the phoenix police department. we have -- we're putting everything into this to find who is doing this, who is trying to terrorize our community. we don't need the help of this group called the bolt force. >> mayor, thanks very much for taking the time tonight. >> thank you. we're going to catch these guys. "outfront," former u.s. marshal arthur roderick. he was involved with the investigation into the d.c. sniper attack. what do officials need to do right now to catch this shooter or shooters? >> well, i think the key -- the
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two key elements here are going to be ballistics and trajectory. when you look at the time fr frames, it has been off of rush hour. traffic is moving along at a good pace. a lot of these shootings, the individuals don't actually see what's going on or get to their location and then all of a sudden, they notice they have a hole in the side of their vehicle. it's not like they are being shot at and then all of of a sudden they are jamming their brakes on. the ballistics is very difficult. if you look at that map and saw the shooting strung out along i-10, east to west, and you had a couple that were north and south, i would be interested to know which ones they believe are the copycat shooters and which ones are the actual sniper. >> are you seeing or not seeing, rather, anything that you believe authorities there should be doing, including the p possibility of closing the
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highway? >> i think they are doing everything they can. for those of us that lived here in d.c. and were involved in the d.c. sniper case or the general public, i think we all remember the fear that it put into the public around here. you know, this is a real case of domestic terrorism. they are right on with that particular nomenclature for this crime. >> no question. i remember living through those as well. thanks for joining us. "outfront" next, a tennis legend says police officers tackled him during a wrongful arrest. why was he targeted? what were they looking for. a nevada family facing eviction. what does the government want to add their land to the mysterious area 51? this is big. like big big. at&t and directv are now one. bringing television and wireless together. so you'll get your tv from home on the go.
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officer searching for a suspect in a fraud case. blake, who is of mixed race, says he is not sure race was a factor but that police at a minimum in his words used excessive force. jason carroll is "outfront." >> reporter: known on the court for his powerful forehand, james blake once ranked fourth in the world, the victim of a clash off the court after being roughed up by the new york city police department. >> what would you like to hear from them? >> an apology. >> reporter: he was leaving his hotel wednesday in manhattan around noon. he was headed to the u.s. open when suddenly, an unidentified man ran toward him. >> he body slammed me. put me on the ground. told me to turn over and shut my mouth. >> reporter: he went on to say he was handcuffed out here on the ground and he told the man who tackled him that he was cooperating. blake also says at no point did that man ever identify himself.
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>> didn't have a badge in any way showing. not around his neck, his belt, anything. the police officers that walked later i saw a couple badges on belts, but none were really displayed. >> reporter: police say this is a case of mistaken identity. the commissioner says the plain clothed officers were working a case involving fraudulent credit cards. they say blake fit the description of a suspect. as for the officer who tackled him -- >> use the force was such that i'm comfortable it's in the best interests of the department to place the officer on modified assignment until the investigation moves forward. >> reporter: blake is biracial. the father of the williams sisters is doubtful. >> so many things happen to people of my kind and my color. it's not surprising.
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>> i don't believe at all that race was a factor. that's not involved in this incident at all. >> reporter: police would not release the photo of the suspect, whether or not race was a factor, one thing is clear, blake says he was angered and humiliated by his experience. >> i thought about what i would be thinking if someone did that to my wife. if someone tackled her in daylight, paraded her around in a crowded sidewalk in new york city with handcuffs behind her back, taking away her dignity. i couldn't accept that. >> reporter: there's video of the incident. police have not released it. as for the suspect, police believed they were looking for, i have seen a picture of that man. he does look very much like blake. the point is, was that much use of force really necessary? again, would that type of force, would that have been used had the suspect been white? those are some of the questions being asked of police tonight. >> the suspect in this case, fraud, it wasn't a violent crime as well.
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jason carroll in new york. harry houck, a former nypd detective. we know a police job is tough. were there two mistakes, not only getting the identity wrong but gang tackling a guy in the middle of the street? not a violent criminal. this is a credit card fraud case. >> police officers have been going after shoplifters. we throw that out that it's a credit card case. the fact that there's the identification -- once a police officer hears there's an identification, that's the guy, the police officer now has probable cause to make an arrest. now, whether or not that officer acted correctly or incorrectly in tackling him -- i would have went over to the gentleman and told him i was a police officer. apparently -- >> that's the question. >> apparently what had happened -- >> that's required. we looked up the law. the arresting police officer must inform such person of his authority and purpose and reason for such an arrest. >> exactly.
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you should definite -- i always did it. i don't know why they didn't do it. the fact that they tackled him for no apparent reason that we know -- i haven't seen the video. i haven't seen the police officer's story about what happened. we have one side of the story right now. i want to see both sides. >> you have the police xhesher in commissioner apologizing. >> the stop was legal. the force the officer might have done might have been illegal. we don't know yet. >> fair enough. many questions to be answered. as always, thanks very much. "outfront" next, the government wants a family's 400 acre property in the nevada desert. threatening to take it if they refuse to sell it. it happens to be next to a famously secretive base, area 51. the band that went ballistic when their song was played at a trump event. ♪ it's the end of the world as we know it ♪ my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis made a simple trip to the grocery store anything but simple.
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of the most sensitive and mysterious military sites in the country. a nevada family has been neighbors to the military testing ground best known as area 51 for decades. while they have never seen any aliens, they say they have weathered nuclear tests, bombing runs and gunfire. now the u.s. military wants them gone. but the family is actually fighting to stay. dan simon is out front. >> reporter: area 51 along with its alleged aliens and ufos may be fictionalized in hollywood but the top secret military site two hours north of las vegas is now part of a real life drama. joe sheehan and his family have owned land near the site for 130 years, decades before the federal government made it a testing spot for nuclear weapons and training area for fighter pilots that surround the property. the sheehans and relatives are not allowed on the property
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without military escort. now the air force wants the family gone saying it can't guarantee their safety. it is preparing to seize their 400 acres through imminent domain if the sheehans don't accept a generous buyout. $5.2 million. >> why not take the $5 million? >> we believe it is worth more than that. we believe it is worth fighting for. >> no part of me says to settle. i won't. >> won't settle. the family wants people to know they're not wealthy nor crazy says the government owes them far more for decades of allege add trs t atrocities and abuse. this is their property where they have come close to exercises and collected bullet cases. the fight dates back to the 1950s when they allege a military jet destroyed an ore processing mining mill. >> a missile, or bomb of something of that nature. and nuclear weapons testing back then exposed their property to
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dangerous radiation. >> i would describe what that have done to us as nothing short of criminal. the family is basically saying that -- that you guys are a bunch of bullies. >> our intent was, and is never to be that bully. >> colonel thomas dempsey oversees the 2.9 million acres that surround the family's property. he says none of their allegations can be substantiated and the air force negotiated in good faith. but the situation has become untenable. >> we have tried every way that we can to include canceling missions when they come out on the range. and that is at tremendous expense to taxpayers. >> do you acknowledge that you have interfered with their operations? >> no. no. i didn't create this mess. they did. they surrounded us. they built that facility there. we were there. >> while the family is taking a huge risk here by not accepting the government buyout they could wind up with far less than $5
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no campaign stop complete without a theme song. for their rally against the iran deal, donald trump and ted cruz chose r.e.m.'s end of the world as we know it. for r.e.m. that felt like the end of the world. >> reporter: it ain't the end of the world, you would think it was after donald trump helped resurrect a 28-year-old song. ♪ the end of the world as we know it ♪ ♪ it's the end of the world good morning, everybody. >> reporter: this is what the band r.e.m. is losing sleep over. >> businessman donald trump! ♪ it's the end of the world as we know it ♪ ♪ it's the end of the world >> reporter: it played for only ten seconds. ♪ it's the end of the world ♪ as we know it >> reporter: oh no they don't. r.e.m. bassist, called trump the orange clown. and the band's frontman, michael stipe went nuclear.
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go [ bleep ] yourselves. the lot of you sad attention grabbing power hungry little men. do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign. ♪ it's the end of the world >> reporter: the group's official statement on facebook was less apocalyptic asking that these candidates cease and desist. it is unlikely trump himself was picking the music. after the anti-iran rally was organized by the tea party patriots. memo to all republicans, wrote one commenter, unless you are using a song by toby keith, lee greenwood, ted nugent or kid rock, just assume the artist will stage a public hissy fit about you using it. >> if i was a musician and donald trump who is red hot right now is, you know, playing it's the end of the world the i would think that's good for sales. >> reporter: legal experts tell us this is a really gray area of law. pits the candidates first amendment freedom of speech rights against the musician's
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copy right, rights. a lot depends on whether rally organizers paid licensing fees which we couldn't find out. it may be r.e.m.'s song, but it is not music to their ears when they hear it over the donald's face. jeanne moos, cnn. ♪ the end of the world >> reporter: new york. >> thank you for joining us. ac 360 starts right now. >> good evening. thank you for joining us. there is a lot going on tonight. breaking news -- how we begin. the moment that 16 republican presidential contenders, their campaigns and millions of voters have been waiting for has arrived. it was six days to go until we bring you the next republican debate. after crunching the latest polling numbers, some as recent as today we can tell you which candidates will be in the primetime event at reagan line braer here line -- library on cnn and who will take place earlier in the other debate. in a bruising brawling day within the gop field. first the debate

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